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Last week, the 16th International Conference on Climate Change made international news. It also disheartened the environmental left and the media because it was clear from that two-day event that Climate Realism is Rising. We will go over some of the highlights of the conference — including a protest during our panel of “climate realist youth” — with Angela Wheeler of the CO2 Coalition, a co-host of that great event.
The Heartland Institute’s Anthony Watts, Linnea Lueken, Sterling Burnett, and Jim Lakely will also cover the Crazy Climate News of the Week, including a pilot who quit his job because he was climate change was giving him sleepless nights, environmentalists who want to put kids to sleep with a new video game called the “Great Green Neighborhood Showdown,” how the Obama administration faked the Endangerment Finding, and is the US going to force the World Bank to abandon its “green targets”?
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The Heartland Institute’s Anthony Watts, Linnea Lueken, Sterling Burnett, and Jim Lakely will also cover the Crazy Climate News of the Week, including a pilot who quit his job because he was climate change was giving him sleepless nights, environmentalists who want to put kids to sleep with a new video game called the “Great Green Neighborhood Showdown,” how the Obama administration faked the Endangerment Finding, and is the US going to force the World Bank to abandon its “green targets”?
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Visit our sponsor, Advisor Metals: https://climaterealismshow.com/metals
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H. Sterling Burnett
H. Sterling Burnett, Ph.D., hosts The Heartland Institute’s Environment and Climate News podcast. Burnett also is the director of Heartland’s Arthur B. Robinson Center on Climate and Environmental Policy, is the editor of Heartland's Climate Change Weekly email, and oversees the production of the monthly newspaper Environment & Climate News. Prior to joining The Heartland Institute in 2014, Burnett worked at the National Center for Policy Analysis for 18 years, ending his tenure there as senior fellow in charge of environmental policy. He has held various positions in professional and public policy organizations within the field. Burnett is a member of the Environment and Natural Resources Task Force in the Texas Comptroller’s e-Texas commission, served as chairman of the board for the Dallas Woods and Water Conservation Club, is a senior fellow at the Texas Public Policy Foundation, works as an academic advisor for Collegians for a Constructive Tomorrow, is an advisory board member to the Cornwall Alliance, and is an advisor for the Energy, Natural Resources and Agricultural Task Force at the American Legislative Exchange Council.
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One of the most urgent tasks of our country is to decisively defeat the climate hysteria hoax.
Speaker 2:We are in the beginning of a mass mass extinction.
Jim Lakely:The ability of c o two to do the heavy work of creating a climate catastrophe is almost nil at this point.
Anthony Watts:The price of oil has been artificially elevated to the point of insanity.
Anthony Watts:That's not how you power a modern industrial system.
Jim Lakely:The ultimate goal of this renewable energy, you know, plan is to reach the exact same point that we're at now.
Anthony Watts:You know who's tried that? Germany. Seven straight days of no win for Germany. Their factories are shutting down.
Linnea Lueken:They really do act like weather didn't happen prior to, like, 1910. Today is Friday.
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Jim Lakely:We also wanna thank our streaming partners as we do every episode, junkscience.com, CPACT, What's Up With That, The c o two Coalition, and Heartland UK Europe. We have a big show. We're back in the saddle in our usual places, So let's get started. Today, we have with us, as usual, Anthony Watts. He's senior fellow at the H.
Jim Lakely:R. Institute and publisher of the world's most viewed website on climate change. What's up with that? We have Sterling Burnett, the archbishop of Rancher Berry, whose day job is the director of the Arthur b Robinson Center for Climate and Environmental Policy at the Heartland Institute. But Linnea
Anthony Watts:Lueken posing as Andy Singer.
Jim Lakely:Yep. We also have Linnea Lueken, senior fellow for energy and viral policy at Heartland, and, our wonderful producer extraordinaire, Andy Singer, behind the scenes making sure everything looks and flows great. And joining us today for the first time, certainly not the last, as a special guest is Angela Wheeler. Angela is executive director of the c o two coalition, who were the cohosts of the sixteenth International Conference on Climate Change last week. She was also a speaker at that conference.
Jim Lakely:Welcome, Angela.
Angela Wheeler:Thank you. I'm so happy to be here.
Jim Lakely:We're happy to have you here as well. So we're gonna get into, a little bit of what you talked about and other people talked about that happened at the, the the climate conference last week, which we streamed live on these channels. But before we do that, let's start off as we always do with our favorite segment, the crazy climate news of the week. Hit it, Andy. Thank you very much, Bill Nye.
Jim Lakely:I've titled this one here in the sidebar there fly me to the loon. This comes from the Times of London. Headline, I quit as a pilot because climate change gave me sleepless nights. Let me read a little bit for everyone. As millions of us flew off, for an Easter getaway, the pilot behind the controls may have been having second thoughts about how many of us really needed to be in the air.
Jim Lakely:A small but growing number of pilots are stepping away from their 6 figure salaries as concern grows that the aviation industry is unable or unwilling to stop its soaring carbon emissions. Joel Walker, an easyJet pilot for thirteen years, is the latest to join the ranks after struggling to reconcile his dream job with climate anxiety. Last month, he handed in his security pass at Luton Airport after after being signed off on medical grounds due to severe stress and sleepless nights. Quote, there was this dawning realization that I might be complicit in something that is really irresponsible, he said. Walker has joined the group called Safe Landing, a community of concerned current and former aviation workers who advocate for an aviation fuel tax and frequent flyer levy to make flying more expensive.
Jim Lakely:Safe landing says increased taxes would reduce demand amongst the most polluting frequent flyers and enable sufficient investment in nascent technologies such as hydrogen powered planes, okay, sustainable aviation fuels, which could potentially be scaled up in the coming decade. Alright. That's enough from that. And, sure, that's exactly where all the money collected would grow would would go. There'd be no grift.
Jim Lakely:Right? Anthony, I think you're the one who pointed this out to us this week. And if a pilot has this much anxiety and over a crisis that isn't real, it's probably best that he has exited the friendly skies. Nope. You're on mute, Anthony.
Jim Lakely:You just pulled a gym.
Anthony Watts:Sorry about that. I, had a I'm used to coughing a little bit. Still still dealing with the after effects as many of us are from travel last week. But, you know, I had the pilot myself before my hearing caused me to not be able to continue because I couldn't understand the tower because those guys talk like auctioneers sometimes. I can say this is the biggest load of balderdash I've ever seen out of a pilot.
Anthony Watts:Pilots are usually straight and narrow guys. They're focused on the mission. They're focused on, you know, quality control, cockpit you know, keeping the cockpit sterile, all these things. And so this gotta go off on this tangent saying, you know, well, I can't fly anymore because, you know, I might be damaging the planet. I mean, really?
Anthony Watts:This speaks to me like it's really something else, and he's just using this for an excuse. I don't know. Maybe maybe there's something else in the background going on, but no pilot that I've ever known would talk like this. And, certainly, no pilot I've ever known would suggest that we have hydrogen powered airplane because nothing bad could ever happen by using hydrogen in aviation. Right?
Anthony Watts:Remember the Hindenburg? Oh my. Anyhow, it's just it's just loony. That's all. I mean, fly to the loon?
Anthony Watts:Yeah. That's an exact apt metaphor, Jim.
Linnea Lueken:Right? Well Sorry. Sterling, you
Anthony Watts:wanna You go ahead.
Linnea Lueken:Okay. Well and and to one of our viewers who asked if my voice is back, yes, for the most part. Might have a little crack here and there, but I'm doing much better. That was, like, the weirdest thing that's ever happened to me because I was I got sick when I got home after the conference. But while I was there, I felt fine.
Linnea Lueken:I just couldn't talk. It was terrible. Anyway, so that was very bad timing. But, yeah. No.
Linnea Lueken:This is this is really kind of insane because why does he think that a fuel tax would reduce frequent flyers? Why does he think like, frequent flyers are people who are flying for business and people who are wealthy enough to be able to fly all the time instead of driving. So why why does he think that they would be impacted? Why doesn't he realize that it would reduce the the poorer people from flying? People who fly, you know, once every three years or something for a family vacation.
Linnea Lueken:That's who's gonna be, you know, restricted from flying if you make it more expensive. I just I have a really hard time taking these guys seriously or thinking that they're earnest about this, because I think that they they have to know. They have to know that the only people who will be impacted by making flying more expensive are the people who can't afford it already.
Jim Lakely:You sure about that?
Linnea Lueken:Yes. I am sure about that.
Anthony Watts:I I've got several desperate thoughts on this, story. You know, my my brother-in-law, has his own business. He's a he's a pilot. He flies both planes and helicopters. And, I know from speaking with him and from other pilots that I know, look, that's a high that's a high stress job.
Anthony Watts:I I I wouldn't want to, to have that job. So he this guy's already under stress, and and I and I and I acknowledge that. But I will say if climate change if if the thoughts of climate change are keeping him up at night, it's probably good he grounded himself. I don't want him helming any airplane that I am on, I think his thing is a is a grift. I think you mentioned, Jim, that he got a medical a medical leave, from his company.
Anthony Watts:Right? He's getting paid not to fly now. He's he's sitting on the sidelines collecting that money, and he's not having to do anything for it because he's so stressed and sick. And, oh, it's bad. Now at least, you know, he didn't take the real loony climate stress pilot option out and and fly his plane into the a mountain, to reduce everyone's carbon emissions.
Anthony Watts:You know, he didn't do that, so I'll give him credit for that. But this has a grifter. And if he's not a grifter, he's just, he's overly sensitive. For a pilot, not a good thing. I'm glad he's out of the industry.
Jim Lakely:Yeah. Yeah. Well, you know, at least we can, at least we can take solace on the fact that chemtrails had nothing to do with this story. And I'll leave it there as an inside joke for, for the people on the show. Alright.
Jim Lakely:Let's move on to our second item here. I call it green gaming blues. This comes from our friends in Canada from the CBC. Headline is Watershed Group hopes its online games inspire young to act on climate change. We've seen stories like this before.
Jim Lakely:Alright. Let me read some for you. You might think teaching the next generation about climate change would require a visit to the forest or the ocean, but an environmental group is hoping to share some lessons through a new online game. Vanessa Lakely, project leader of the, Petit Kodiak Watershed Alliance, says the games aim to teach children in Moncton and nearby communities how they can help fight climate change and reduce pollution. In the games, students create eco friendly neighborhoods and learn how to make make their own gardens rain gardens, which absorb storm water runoff from rooftops and driveways.
Jim Lakely:They just called that a barrel at the bottom of the drain in my, you know, my house when I was a kid, but oh well. Quote, a lot of the time, you can feel you can feel kind of helpless in climate change. Like, what am I going to do on my own? It can give them a little bit more hope and certainty that what they're doing actually can make an impact. With the game called, with the game called Great Green Neighborhood Showdown, which students play independently, players created contrasting neighborhoods, one that is eco friendly and another that isn't.
Jim Lakely:Players start with an empty neighborhood. The object is to build one eco friendly neighborhood with solar panels, green roofs, vegetable gardens, buses, and parks. In the other not so sustainable neighborhood, students can insert things such as litter, oil spills, construction zones, and large parking lots. Alright. Linnea, that sounds like a lot of fun, doesn't it?
Jim Lakely:You're the gamer of the group here. Are you gonna give this one a try?
Linnea Lueken:You know what? They're they're targeting the same audience for, like, a, like, a Animal Crossing or any number of those, like, kind of cute little, like, home keeping, like, tending your garden type games. There is an audience for that. Not really so much me. I played Animal Crossing when I was in middle school.
Linnea Lueken:Not so much now. But, I I I do think it's funny though because they're they're scaring these kids to death with, the way that they teach them about climate change and stuff in school. They're hammering them with this stuff. You know? It's it's all over unless the government makes huge sweeping changes to our entire economy and, know, globally.
Linnea Lueken:And they say this over and over again to these kids to the point where they're just, like, in total despair because they do feel like, well, I can't do anything about that. You know, it's up to the world governments to do it. So now they're trying to, like, put a Band Aid over this, you know, mental illness that they've inflicted on these kids. It's it's kind of dark when you think about it too much. But it it's it's the same old.
Linnea Lueken:Yeah. As one of our our commenters, mentions, you know, the, like, Captain Planet stuff is it's it's along the same lines as that. It's whatever. It's just it's like, have they not hit us hard enough at on the education level from television and movies. I can't remember the last time I saw a, like, modern TV sitcom or something that didn't have some kind of a climate change episode.
Linnea Lueken:It's everywhere all the time. Have they not done enough? Well, apparently not because we're winning, and we're gonna talk about that later. But, it's it's just kind of I don't know. This kind of thing where they're doing like a we've made a video game showing you how to build a rain garden is cute.
Linnea Lueken:I mean, that's not legal in California. So if they're in California, they can't gather you know, they can't collect rainwater. So, good luck with that, I guess. But, oh, well, I I I don't see this as particularly harmful. It's the base teaching that got them scared enough that they think they need a green game like this in the first place that's harmful.
Anthony Watts:Yeah. You know, if I got ahold of a cop a copy of that thing, I think I would hack it and change the title to Green Acres, where the whole goal of the game is to buy carbon credits from mister Haney. That would be the whole the whole scheme of it. I don't know if you've ever watched the TV show Green Acres or not, but there was this character called mister Haney who would come around on his traveling wagon. He was basically a shyster, and so he'd be a perfect guy to buy carbon credits from in this game.
Anthony Watts:He's dating Anthony's dating himself.
Jim Lakely:Yeah. Anthony just just raised the average age of our dedicated viewer about fifteen more years. That's great. Angela, I wanna I wanna go to you on this. Yeah.
Jim Lakely:I mean, it it seems to me that, you know, as Linnea had had alluded to, it's like, you know, you put an agenda first and then you try to make a product that people will like. It seems like it it fails. It's a fail it's a failing plan. It's not gonna work.
Angela Wheeler:Absolutely. Well, what would a child how would a child or a student respond when they're told there is no alternative viewpoint, that the science is settled, that there is a climate crisis, and you're responsible for it. And and and that's where this anxiety is coming from. And, yes, as Linnea said, this is it it's really an atrocity, and and parents need to go to their school boards and and let them know that science is not being taught. And I don't know if you're ready for to discuss my my speech from the conference yet or not, but that's that's what it was about.
Anthony Watts:I I would say that they're actually not blaming the children. They're having the children blame their parents. They're teaching the children that their parents and their grandparents are to blame for destroying the Earth, and only they can save it. They're the earth's saviors.
Angela Wheeler:Well, that's a good point. But, also, in all the things that they do, like we just talked about with the the carbon credits and and not flying and and making them change their lifestyle extraordinarily. So it is it is coming, but you're you're right. We we ruined it. Now they've got to change their entire lifestyle to try to fix it all based on lies.
Jim Lakely:Yeah. And and we're gonna get into we're gonna be able to get into that more deeply, later on in the show with, with Angela because she did speak about this at the, sixteenth International Conference on Climate Change, last week. But, let's move on to our next to our next item here. I know, Andy, you finally found the game. I know.
Jim Lakely:You've looking for it for ten minutes. You finally found it. There's some good footage of it. It's great. I know.
Jim Lakely:He's killing me. Alright. We do have a lot to get to. Let's move on. This is a big story.
Jim Lakely:This was kind of a late insert, into the show notes this week, and this is about the fake endangerment finding, which also ties into Lise Eldon speaking at our climate conference last week. This was a a big story. Headline from Fox News. Unearthed emails expose how Obama era EPA plotted massive energy regulations from day one. So, yeah, follow the science.
Jim Lakely:The democrats are the party of science. Right? No. They're the party of ideology and dogma over science. And this is big, and this will kinda lay some of that out.
Jim Lakely:Reading from it. A government watchdog is accusing the Obama administration's Environmental Protection Agency of predetermining the legal basis for its climate framework. In an amicus filing before the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals, Government Accountability and Oversight, a nonpartisan nonprofit, and Protect the Public's Trust, another government accountability watchdog, unearthed communications from inside the EPA in 2009. Those communications, the GAO argued, showed that the climate minded officials treated Obama's endangerment finding as a foregone conclusion and later used it as the foundation for vehicle emission standards, power plant regulations and permitting restrictions. In particular, GAO pointed to communications from Lisa Heinzerling who served as the climate policy counsel at EPA at the time.
Jim Lakely:In a 2009 email, she claimed the right findings would create the legal mandate for regulation: we expect to be able to issue a proposed finding of endangerment for greenhouse gases within the next one hundred days, H. Sterling wrote on February 8. Quote, within the same document, we expect to find that certain major categories of greenhouse gases, in particular motor vehicles, cause or contribute to air pollution which endangers public health and welfare. An endangerment finding, she added, will trigger regulatory obligations under the Clean Air Act. Her email was sent just two weeks after president Barack Obama's inauguration.
Jim Lakely:And, and like I said, this ties into our climate conference last week with our opening keynote speaker, EPA administrator, Lee Zeldin. He said that we are vindicated. He said the repeal of the endangerment finding was vindicated. It was a triumphant speech. And this story that came out, I think, while we were at the conference, ratifies that.
Jim Lakely:Sterling, let's start with you. I mean, they cooked the books here. It was a setup all along.
Anthony Watts:Color me shocked to find this out. You know, it's it it it reminds me of, Casablanca when the the the the Nazi shuts down, the Nazi sympathizer shuts down gambling, and they rush out. And he said, I'm shocked shocked to find gambling is taking place here. And they rush out, and they say, you're winning story. He goes, well, thank you very much.
Anthony Watts:Obama told you in advance. He ran on shutting down coal and fossil fuels. He said I believe it was a San Francisco Chronicle article, but I could be wrong about that. But he said, if you wanna build a coal plant, try. You're gonna bankrupt you.
Anthony Watts:So he knew what he was going to do, and then it was just a matter of ginning up the justification. And this shows that that they were working on that even before the so called science was in. Like you say, this wasn't led by science. This was a predetermined political outcome, and, they tried to, pretty up the science to make it appear justified. We've challenged this, not just Heartland, but but lots of organizations have challenged this.
Anthony Watts:Court cases have gone on. The court has routinely upheld it as discretion of the EPA. After West Virginia v the EPA, however, there was hope that the the enangement filing would finally be overturned because if there's if there's a single major question in The United States, the control of carbon dioxide, the very air you exhale, is pretty major. It seems to me the EPA has got to find the justification in the actual law where congress sat down and said, yep. We want you to control people's breathing.
Anthony Watts:That's what you gotta do. The congress has said you must control people's breathing. Absent that, EPO head north or
Jim Lakely:Nope. Sterling got frozen again. There we go. Actually, Angela, I wanna go to you. I mean, this this is this is about basically, you know, you write it down on a piece of paper what you already wanted to happen, and then you declare carbon dioxide a pollutant, get to regulate it, and control the entire economy.
Jim Lakely:You're the executive director of the c o two coalition. Your viewpoints on carbon dioxide are a little were quite a bit different than the Obama administration's.
Angela Wheeler:Yes. And and what we have to do is overturn Massachusetts versus EPA where where c o two is considered a pollutant. They as you just mentioned, they had no there was no science behind that whatsoever. And so there's been part of the that endangerment finding that has been has been changed, but the the actual part with c o two as a pollutant has not. And we have to with the Clean Air Act, we have to overturn that.
Angela Wheeler:That's the only way we we go forward with, being able to free c o two. But yeah. So exactly. And this was all based on very much something that's very confusing because, as you know, this comes back to the IPCC saying that c o two is the primary driver of temperature. We can scientifically prove that that is false.
Angela Wheeler:And so all of that being said, we have the science. We have the data to be able to overturn this. We now have an administration that has our ear that will will look at the data. And so we're we're just very hopeful that we're able to present this in the court and that we are are able to get this overturned.
Jim Lakely:Anthony, you wanted to jump in?
Anthony Watts:Yeah. This reminds me a lot of what's been going on in climate science, for the past couple of decades. You know? They are so absolutely convinced that c o two is the whole problem. They come up with these modeling studies.
Anthony Watts:You know? They've already figured out, yeah, c o two is the problem. So we're gonna come up with a modeling study that proves it. So they come up with this this conclusion that fits the premise as opposed to the other way around. But it really mirrors how science has been done in climate science the last few decades.
Anthony Watts:And an unlike Sterling, I'm not shocked. I'm not shocked at all. I'm I think it's business as usual for these folks. And there's two two facts factions in this whole thing. There's the people that wanna regulate it, and then there's the people that wanna save the planet.
Anthony Watts:And they're both off their rockers in terms of how they are approaching this. The whole process is backwards. Science should lead and investigate first and then come up with a with a conclusion. These folks are doing it exactly backwards, whether it's on the regulatory front or on the science front.
Speaker 2:Let's see.
Anthony Watts:I I guess sarcasm doesn't come through well over the computer, because I was less than shocked, despite my protestations. I I I wanna say this. The Obama's Obama's actions and the EPA's actions were attribution science were before attribution science was cool. We had a predetermined conclusion, and it was now just ginning up the evidence to justify our actions. It it's it's circular reasoning.
Anthony Watts:It's unscientific. It's not logical. It's purely political, and that's what consensus is all about, purely political.
Jim Lakely:Yeah. We've we've told people for a long time. I mean and this is why Lee Zeldin was justified in going through the process, and he went through all the steps that you have to go through, which coincidentally or not coincidentally, is a lot more steps than it did for the Obama administration just to declare for itself the power, to declare to declare carbon dioxide a pollutant when it is not a pollutant, and therefore, the ability to regulate it under the Clean Air Act. That was just a declaration. And this what this story actually proves is that that was gonna be their what their plan when they came into the administration before they even got inaugurated.
Jim Lakely:And there were not gonna be any studies to actually justify this. They were just going to declare the power to do so, and the courts allowed them and the courts, unfortunately, allowed them to do it for too long. Like you said, Angela, Massachusetts versus EPA is, is really the last you know, it's already pretty rickety stool at this point. Thank god. But, that would be be the last, the last, stool point.
Anthony Watts:Yeah. The whole process was damn the science full speed ahead.
Jim Lakely:Yep. So, yep. Excellent. Alright. Let's move on.
Jim Lakely:We got a lot more to get to today. This is another pretty big story. This is well, we're gonna find out. Is the World Bank gonna be dumping their green agenda? This comes from an outlet called Climate Home News.
Jim Lakely:Headline is US pressure puts World Bank's climate plan at risk. We'll see. It says here the World Bank's work to tackle climate change is under threat as the Trump administration pushes the lender to ditch its green targets and step up support for fossil fuel infrastructure in the developing world. With the World Bank's key climate policy framework set to expire in June, closed door negotiations between shareholders and the bank's management over its successor have stalled, sources familiar with the discussions told Climate Home News. This throws into doubt the future direction of the world's largest provider of international climate funding to developing countries.
Jim Lakely:First introduced in 2021, the Climate Change Action Plan has driven an expansion in the World Bank's funding for emission cutting projects and support for vulnerable communities dealing with the growing impacts of climate change. The plan embedded climate considerations across the bank's lending practices and committed it to directing a defined share of its annual budget, now 45%, to projects with, quote, unquote, climate benefits. Wow. Since the plan was introduced, the World Bank's climate funding nearly doubled from 21,000,000,000 in 2021 to 39,000,000,000 in 2025. You know, again, this is where all the money is, folks, not on our side.
Jim Lakely:Let me finish up here. That trajectory is now under threat. Since Donald Trump's return to the White House, The US, the bank's largest shareholder, has waged an aggressive campaign against its climate commitments. US treasury secretary Scott Bessent told said on Wednesday that the World Bank should abandon its, quote, distortionary climate finance target and claim and it says here in the story, claiming without evidence that it, quote, undermines efforts to reduce poverty and spur economic growth. Gotta love the media.
Jim Lakely:One last bit. Quote, we welcome the coming expiration of climate change action plan, and upon its long overdue expiration, expect the bank to immediately shift its myopic myopic focus on climate, Bessant added, at the World Bank spring meeting in Washington DC this week. That's awesome. So, anyway, Angela, what do you think? I mean, this is, it is the World Bank.
Jim Lakely:The idea you know, a lot of the a lot of the green energy industry is all grift. You basically outlaw outlaw investment in fossil fuels, and where else is it going to go under this, president and under this treasury secretary. They have a lot of influence on the World Bank to put an end to that nonsense.
Angela Wheeler:Oh, absolutely. And I think it's similar to, you know, where where Bill Gates came out and said, you know, oh, maybe this wasn't so bad after all. But I think you know, I'm from Kansas, and so my term is, I said everyone said the jig is up. Okay. Everybody's on to us.
Angela Wheeler:We're we're ever we're seeing this. So so now, like I like, this administration is is boldly showing that this has all been a big lie. And so why should we take affordable, reliable energy away from Americans? And and I think the you know, institutions like the World Bank will will fall will understand that and and hopefully just abandon it and quietly walk away. That's the hope.
Jim Lakely:Yeah. Well, I mean, everyone else here could weigh in, but it's like, it it there's the idea that something it will it will continue forever until it doesn't. Right? And and for a lot of this stuff, it is it's when the money goes away, then whatever is happening with its fund, it also goes away. And if you can pull the money out from under risk in other words, if the whole thing is like a it's like a it's like a self watering plant.
Jim Lakely:You know? It just it just keeps going and going. But if you can turn that cycle off, then the whole thing falls apart because it's not real. It's not real except for the money.
Anthony Watts:So two two things. I believe you said, Jim, in the store, they did did they create this fund in 2021. Is that right?
Jim Lakely:I believe, so let's look. Let me go back up into the notes. Yeah. The climate change action plan, 2021. I I think this investment maybe that's what the new thing was called.
Jim Lakely:Mean, has been going on for
Anthony Watts:a while. It's been going on for a while, but the big the big investment came in 2021 under Biden. And what they did there, you said 45%. What's the World Bank? It was set up as an international buy bank, five different, types of bodies underneath it for one reason.
Anthony Watts:One reason. Just like the treasure just like, the the treasury was set up for one reason not to do climate change, or or, the World Bank was to help poor countries develop, not to control the climate, not to make sure they only develop in a way that doesn't impact the climate because that's impossible, just to get them out of poverty. That's its sole reason for existence. Now, The US is the biggest funder of the World Bank. This is the reason why they're they're in such a tizzy is the world The US has outsized influence on what the World Bank does because we're the biggest funder.
Anthony Watts:Trump could yank that money, and they would be out of business. So they're listening. And getting back to what Jim said is, this shows what a grift it is. Every day, I read headlines that say, green energy industry collapsing. Everyone's trying to get in their funding before the money goes out, but jobs are being laid up.
Anthony Watts:Oh, we're losing jobs. They're not gonna build a factory they were gonna build before. I'm told I'm told regularly that green energy is cheaper than other energy sources, that it can compete with fossil fuels. Then why is it going away as soon as federal money goes away? It was a lie twenty years ago when they said it.
Anthony Watts:It's a lie today. It is a creature. Wind and solar energy, battery backup are holy creatures of government mandates and money. And when that money and mandates go away, it goes away. After twenty, nearly thirty years of support, they've never ceased to be orphan in industries.
Anthony Watts:And when you when you hear when you hear, as they will say, it's cheaper than coal. It's cheaper than gas. It's cheaper than nuclear. Ask why nuclear plants haven't lost, shut down due to lack of, profitability. Why ask use were shut down because of regulatory and mandates to support green energy, and ask why they will continue if that money is taken away, but, green energy does not.
Anthony Watts:If it can compete, it doesn't need that funding. It can't, and it dies without it.
Jim Lakely:You sit on a throne of lies.
Anthony Watts:Sterling, I just agree with you on one point. You said that these were holy mandates of holy creatures of government mandates or unholy creatures of government mandates. You need to get that right. And, you know Yeah. Archbishop, stay in your lane there.
Angela Wheeler:I'll say this.
Linnea Lueken:When it comes to the World Bank, I really do think, you know, despite what they're saying now, it's the finance companies and stuff that we're gonna have the most uphill battle with, right, for the for a time for the time being. Not just because the grift has been so, you know, lucrative for a lot of these companies, but also because, you know, you've got and then you've got this kind of, like, job category that popped up out of nowhere a couple decades ago that where all these, like, finance guys have, like, a sustainability department. And so you have a bunch of people with sustainability in their, like, job title. And they're they're it's gonna be hard to root them out. It's gonna be really hard.
Linnea Lueken:There's all these people who, you know, they probably they don't really have, like, a science background or anything, but they found out when they were in college or right after they got out of college and went into business or something that sustainability is like a growth industry. So they got into it, and they're compelled by that to try to promote it as much as possible. They've really dug their roots in pretty deep, and I think that it's gonna be kinda hard to get them out of it. There I will say that the best chance of getting them out of it is getting these guys who have sustainability in their titles to change their LinkedIn profile to, like, artificial intelligence something, you know, because that seems to be what's really driving a lot of the changes from the tech giants. But it'll it's it's still I think I think the biggest hurdle going forward is not necessarily even gonna be to root it out from governments, but to root it out from the banking system.
Anthony Watts:No. Let me let me ask you, Linnea. You may have a different opinion than me. But I agree that it's they're embedded. But when the money and the mandates dry up remember, these are creatures.
Anthony Watts:These sustainability departments started because the government got into sustainability. The government got into mandating this stuff. And if there's anything that financiers know to do is they go where the money from government is. When the money from government goes away, I think they'll pivot away from funding this crap because that's where the the they're gonna go to wherever the government's gonna be funding next because they wanna be on the ground floor of the grift.
Linnea Lueken:Yeah. But but you have to you have to see that, like, for a lot of these people, this has become part of their identity even outside of money. Right? Like, that's the reason why all the the DEI stuff was being pushed and the, like, social justice stuff was being pushed in these, big media companies and stuff. Wasn't necessarily because there was government support behind it, although that certainly helped, but because there was an ideological support behind it.
Linnea Lueken:So you can have companies like Disney or something losing millions and millions of dollars on different movies that they put out because they're trying to push a narrative. And they don't mind because they have an ideological backup, that banks were funding, basically, in order for them to push that stuff. It's just it's I I think that the the money side will it will dry up, but these guys aren't going anywhere. They're gonna keep pushing it. That's why I'm not saying that they're never gonna go away.
Linnea Lueken:I'm saying that it's gonna take a lot more than just having, like, a couple years of good republican governance.
Anthony Watts:I I guess Well,
Linnea Lueken:that's a strong term. But, you know, you know, less less favorable government conditions for them in order to in order to root it out.
Anthony Watts:I guess I see it a different way. I just think that the presidents of those organizations look. Jeff Bezos is no longer funding. He he he fired two thirds of the Washington Post climate staff. Climate reporting is down in a single year.
Anthony Watts:My feeling is that when the CEOs of banks, they're all pulling out of all the green grift, net zero alliances they were part of, all those heads of sustainability, they will go the way of the Washington Post climate reporters if they can adapt because their CEOs aren't going to allow their companies to not make money on the next big grift and to to keep pushback. That's just my thought.
Jim Lakely:Yeah. Angela, did you have something else we can get in here? Yeah.
Angela Wheeler:Yeah. I was just gonna mention Amazon. You know, they have the an entire web page built around their climate pledge. And if you've ever ordered anything from Amazon, you have the no carbon the the lower c o two option. And I'm always wanting to request to them that I get the higher c o two option, but it hasn't happened yet.
Angela Wheeler:But unbelievable to me, and and that's gonna take a long time to for them to to back away from.
Jim Lakely:Yeah. Well, I mean, one of we can we can wrap it up here. Don't don't put that up just yet. There we go. Yeah.
Jim Lakely:I got some fan mail we're gonna go over here. But, no. The look. So called green energy, renewable energy, it's it's not reliable enough. It's not scalable enough to actually work on any in any grand scale.
Jim Lakely:Anybody with two eyes and ears and watches this show knows that to be true. The only way investment in that technology on a broad scale makes sense is if governments mandate the investment into it, and that is it. And once governments stop mandating that or, you know, Donald Trump and Scott Besson putting pressure on the World Bank to stop putting their thumb heavily on the scale in that favor, it will end. And I just wanted to say one one last thing because it it bothered me in this story that Scott Bessant said he claimed, quote, unquote, without evidence that green investment, quote, undermines efforts to reduce poverty and spur economic growth. Without evidence.
Jim Lakely:The evidence itself evident. If you are investing if you are trying to make developing, countries in Africa raise their standard of living through solar panels and, and windmills, you are undermining efforts to reduce poverty and, spur economic growth. Because the only way out of poverty and the only way to spur real economic growth is through the use of fossil fuels for energy and electricity, period. You cannot do it with what the, what what the green weenies want us to do globally. That is you don't need evidence.
Jim Lakely:You need eyes. You need to understand basic economic.
Angela Wheeler:And I know we've talked about this, but what just for like, with the data centers, I think one of the best thing that's that has happened is the data centers because they know they could not get their energy from wind and solar.
Jim Lakely:Exactly.
Angela Wheeler:And so this has just made it so obvious. And so that's one that's one good thing that came from that.
Jim Lakely:For sure. Alright. Thank you very much. I think that was a wonderful examination of that story. We're gonna get into our main, main topic today, kinda talking a little bit more about the climate conference that, c o two coalition's cohost, with the Heartland Institute and CFACT and what's up with that at, in Washington DC last week.
Jim Lakely:We, There were some incidents. There was, an interruption of our panel on, bringing youth into the climate realism fold. In other words, deprogramming their alarmist brains. We're gonna get to that in a minute as well. But I also wanted to share a little bit of fan mail that I got, from somebody who watched the conference.
Jim Lakely:Let's see, if we could bring that up. There we go. So, Steve, I, I'm not gonna share your last name, Steve. I'm also not going to share your email address because that would be doxing and that would be wrong, so I'm not going to do that. But this this came into my personal email account, which I can say out loud because it's public.
Jim Lakely:It's on Heartland's website. It's jlakely@heartland.org. That's where this person found me. And he said, what? In the subject line, you don't believe in climate change?
Jim Lakely:You are a stupid, uneducated piece of crap moron. Idiots like you are why humanity was so stupid that it pooped in its own bed.
Anthony Watts:Well, gosh, Jim.
Jim Lakely:I just made you a star. That actually made my week. I really appreciate that very much. So thank you, Steve, for that.
Anthony Watts:You know, it's funny. It's it's this is so typical of just about every email any of us ever received from people on the other side. It's all I mean, these guys put the archbishop of Rattlesbury to shame. They do a much better job of ranting than Sterling could ever do. And, you know, it's always the same.
Anthony Watts:You're stupid. You're anti, you know, science. You're on the take of big oil. Any of those things are always almost always in the process of their communications. It's they they just never do anything beyond scream and yell and rant.
Anthony Watts:They never engage in a factual, truthful way.
Anthony Watts:Ad hominem is their is their, their foundation.
Angela Wheeler:I love it when they I love it when they say you don't believe in climate change. Well, yes, I believe in climate change. Climate is always changing.
Anthony Watts:We had
Angela Wheeler:a whole conference. Believe it. Yeah. Go ahead.
Anthony Watts:No. No. You're right. Climate's always changed, and we had a whole conference that said that.
Angela Wheeler:Exactly. Yep.
Jim Lakely:Yeah. Yeah. Well, you know, we had we have clips of it. We have clips of the people who disrupted our our conference on on the last, afternoon. And the speakers up on stage said, you know, it's a shame they didn't stick around and listen a little bit more.
Jim Lakely:They would have learned something and maybe not have been so angry and ignorant, but that's what you get. We do the best we can. You can, lead a horse to water, can't make him drink. But so let's get into a little bit of the recap here of the conference. And, Angela, I wanted to talk specifically to get started about what you had talked about.
Jim Lakely:You can everybody watching and listening to this show can go to heartland.org. The first two features on the on the web page will bring you to all of the coverage that we have. All the videos are there. We are in the process with Andy and and others to be cutting those up into more into easier bites. You can get all of the presentations plus most of the PowerPoints if you want them as we move along.
Jim Lakely:It takes some time, but be patient, you can go to heartland.org and get right over there. Angela, your presentation was very interesting. It was titled The State of Science Education in Restoring the Scientific Method. Why don't you take this opportunity to kind of summarize your presentation and why you thought that was an important one to give the audience?
Angela Wheeler:Sure. I think that people are typically pretty amazed when I what I would say restoring the scientific method because they say, what what do you mean restoring the scientific method? But in 2013, the, the federal the, you know, the, our federal government decided that we should have standards for science as we did for math in common core, and so they offered next generation science standards. So states have the option to to opt in or not. But as of now, 49 states have opted in to next generation science standards.
Angela Wheeler:And what they didn't realize that is that the the standards removed the traditional scientific method. There is no traditional scientific method in those standards. So here we are. That was 2013. Here we are twenty twenty six.
Angela Wheeler:And and we wonder why do all of these students and these young adults think that there's a climate crisis and that it's settled? It's because they have not been taught to think critically. They have they think that they're that science is settled. They believe that science is consensus, and and that's problematic. And that was the the core of of my of my speech was to just say that we have full on indoctrination, and science is not the topic that you would think we would have indoctrination.
Angela Wheeler:It's supposed to be open open discourse. It's supposed to be open communication and testing everything, and we do not have that in schools in America, and most people don't know that.
Anthony Watts:Well, it's it's not an output. Science is a process, and the process is, trying to discover. You you try and, you have a phenomena you want to explain that we don't understand, and you try and explain it through the pros the scientific method. You propose a hypothesis.
Angela Wheeler:Yep.
Jim Lakely:Nope. Sterling got frozen again.
Linnea Lueken:Terrible terrible thing that that
Speaker 2:keeps saying.
Anthony Watts:I've got everything else turned off. So it's this is all spectrum. This
Linnea Lueken:is Yeah. You
Anthony Watts:propose a hypothesis, and then you have the the test. You say, my theory makes these predictions. And the more those predictions are coming true, you test it, the more likely it is to be right. But the less those predictions are coming true, the less likely it is to be right. And when you test climate the the climate alarm narrative against that, it's very unlikely to be right because all of its predictions are wrong.
Anthony Watts:And, yet, like you say, they jettisoned the scientific method. They made it about results, the things that we supposedly know in consensus, agreement. Scientists in the next generation science standards, it talks about agreement. What's important is agreement. No.
Anthony Watts:It's not that's not what's important. What's important is results that are proven.
Angela Wheeler:Yes. And so students are really being taught what to think instead of how to think.
Anthony Watts:That's right.
Angela Wheeler:And and if you rely on models and you rely on consensus, then you can you can lead it them into thinking anything. And we know that we've led them to think that there's a climate crisis, and that is false.
Jim Lakely:And it's not, Angela, it's not as if the some of the basic physics of the way the atmosphere works and greenhouse gases work and particularly because you're with the c o two coalition, the ability of carbon dioxide to to its warming capacity or its warming ability decreases as it increases in the in the atmosphere. So while there may be quite a bit of warming from, say, 100 parts per million to 300 parts per million, the amount of warming from 300 to 400 is a lot lower. The the amount from 400 to 800 is even lower than that. It's almost be be insignificant. That is not a difficult concept to teach a middle schooler.
Jim Lakely:But if you tell them the truth about carbon dioxide, that it is the it is the gas of life, that it is not a pollutant, that it is not causing runaway global warming with all of these potential and faraway and modeled accelerating effects, that that is not if you tell them that, then the entire indoctrination of global warming is is it's your fault, and we're ruining the planet goes away.
Angela Wheeler:Yeah. And that it's plant food, you know, by the way.
Anthony Watts:Yeah. That that we're we're eating better than ever before in history because of in part because of c o two.
Anthony Watts:Yeah. I I wanna
Anthony Watts:put Angela's presentation in context. You know, we had this panel. What was the panel? The big the biggest challenges that remain going forward on climate change, and she saw education as her top issue. And I think she's right.
Angela Wheeler:Yep. Anthony, you're jump in. About it. Oh, sorry. Go ahead.
Angela Wheeler:Oh, well, if you don't mind me, I one of the things that I have often say to people, if even if we are able to overturn Massachusetts versus EPA, which which would be a mere would be not a miracle, but it'd be wonderful, we still have to unindoctrinate a a couple of generations of people. You know? We we have to show them the truth. And the the one thing that I feel very hopeful about is that we do have truth on our side. We have we have data and science and truth.
Angela Wheeler:And when people are are presented the facts, if they're willing to consider it, that's when we'll win.
Jim Lakely:Absolutely. And that's
Linnea Lueken:what and that's what the youth panel is kind of aimed towards too. Right? Like, how do we undo some of that? And I really think that part of that is that the the alarmist themselves are undoing some of that because they've really overplayed their hand. And I can't remember who it was that that made this commentary, and it's killing me that I cannot remember whose talk at our conference it was that made this point.
Linnea Lueken:But we we really have, like, Anthony Fauci to thank for the current unwinding. Who was it that
Angela Wheeler:That was Mark Marano. No.
Linnea Lueken:That was Mark Marano. That's right. Mhmm. Anthony Fauci to thank for the unwinding of, you know, people's, kind of compulsive belief in the establishment scientific you know, the scientific establishment. Right?
Linnea Lueken:Because we all saw that they were just, like, making stuff up as they went along in order to pursue a particular political narrative that they wanted. You know, masks work. Masks don't work. It all just depended on what they wanted the people to do. And I think that that really woke a lot of people up.
Linnea Lueken:Maybe not as many, maybe not as many young people as we would like, but I think that the the suffering that they underwent in school and stuff, over that that time period also helped to kind of make them realize, like, okay. You know, the authorities don't exactly have my best interest in mind. Maybe I should take another look at what they're telling me.
Anthony Watts:I think I think Mark Moreno is the one that brought up Anthony Fauci is calling him the the the biggest, destroyer of climate alarm.
Jim Lakely:Yeah. I'm gonna take this opportunity to kinda go around the horn and talk a little bit more broadly about maybe some of the favorite parts and things that people should be looking for, at least in their own personal opinion when they go to climateconference.heartland.org or just heartland.org and check out this stuff. Anthony, you know, you gave a wonderful presentation. You can't pick your own presentation. But was there part of the was there part of the conference that you really would recommend to people that really stuck out to you?
Anthony Watts:I'm sorry. I missed that last part.
Jim Lakely:Is there a part of the conference that, you know, not including your own presentation, which is people should check out, but it was there was there a part or a presentation of the conference that you would recommend, people check out because you really, found a lot of value?
Anthony Watts:Well, yeah, first of all, I really enjoyed the disruption because, you know, it just puts it puts their silliness on display, but that's that's irrelevant to the whole, you know, mission of the conference. But I think that the presentation that was done, by our Nobel, physicist, doctor Clauser, was really interesting. Even though it went a little bit long and it was technically deep, he basically showed how the pee under the thimble, you know, kept getting switched in the way that they were doing science. And, we've had a series of post on WhatsApp with that talking about that particular presentation. And so I think that was probably the big standout for me.
Jim Lakely:Angela, what about you?
Angela Wheeler:Yeah. So I'm very biased. Doctor Klauser is is on our board. And so but I was going to say the same. Doctor Hapur, doctor Clauser, Jim Steele, who's also one of our our board directors, they brought the science.
Angela Wheeler:And, I mean, a lot of people brought the science, but they they brought the science. And that is exactly what we need. And and then also I just wanna say hope. I I looked around that room, and I saw the hope with with everyone there that that we can we can beat this. And and then we'll have to move on to the next power grab and then and then and the next and the next thing.
Angela Wheeler:But but we're we're close to to really showing everyone that there's no climate crisis. And then, like Linnea was talking about with the anxiety, then we will we will move beyond that.
Jim Lakely:Yeah. Sterling?
Anthony Watts:Well, you know, everyone's said Clauser, so I won't repeat that. I I thought he was president. It was great. I thought the best thing about his presentation was how he used their own words to contradict what people are saying that they say, that that they they undermine their own fear their own beliefs with their own words. Well, I love the youth panel.
Anthony Watts:I was, you know, behind setting that one up. I think that's just critically important. Unfortunately, you know, as a moderator for a number of panels, I couldn't be in all the panels, so I didn't see everyone. But I always think, Mark Marano's presentations are fantastic. I thought Anthony's presentation was fantastic.
Anthony Watts:They they bring the, sort of the the history of this scam into light and expose one thing after the other, how they were wrong here, how they were wrong here, and how they persist in the same wrong beliefs. And they do it in an entertaining way. The the best takeaway from the conference for me personally was the enthusiasm that I saw at the conference. Everybody was joyful. Everybody fought.
Anthony Watts:You know, we they said they said a resurgence that that some of them said, oh, there's a resurgence of skeps I as I said once, I'd like to know when the first surge was because I I I didn't know we had that that period of time where we were winning before. But we're winning now, and everybody's happy about it. And that showed at the conference. So my 2¢.
Linnea Lueken:Yeah. That was kind of the same perspective that I came away with. I was very heartened by the number of people who came up to me, and I apologize. Anyone who's watching who is there and came up to me and talked to me, and I kind of just had to, like, smile and nod because I I could not whistle out a word because my my voice was just gone. But I did enjoy talking to all of you.
Linnea Lueken:And all of the enthusiasm and people were so heartened and and glad by, like, the the amount of scientific rigor that we had represented there as well as, you know, policymakers, all sorts of stuff. I like Jason Isaac's presentation. I also liked to counterbalance our our extreme and and merited optimism. I always appreciate Steve Molloy's, panels, and I was kinda joking like, man, you'd think that, the, the victory was won already except then you go to Steve's panel, and it's kind of, like, keeping our feet on the ground and our head out of the clouds a little bit because he's like, look. This can all fall back again if we don't keep up the momentum here and get some really good and important, you know, tactical victories at the, at the judicial level.
Linnea Lueken:Right?
Jim Lakely:Yeah.
Linnea Lueken:So I thought that that balance at the conference was really good.
Jim Lakely:Yes. Steve Steve is a frequent, guest on this program. We love him. And, yeah, he's kind of the, the prince of darkness on some of this stuff as we try to get in a good mood. He brings us back to reality, all that sort of stuff.
Linnea Lueken:But he's alright. You know? Oh, he's right. He's totally right. If we didn't have him, we'd be in trouble, I think.
Jim Lakely:For sure. In fact, that's why he won the, the dauntless purveyor of climate truth award from the cohost CFAC, as a matter of fact. So congratulations to Steve on that. Nobody else here said it. It's in our thumbnail.
Jim Lakely:I'm gonna say it. I think Lee Zeldin, leading off the entire conference, the sitting administrator for the Environmental Protection Agency, coming to speak to us to a, obviously, a friendly audience, and to tell the audience, you've been vindicated. I've been vindicated. C o two is not a pollutant. The endangerment finding was BS, and we are proud that we went through the steps to take take care of it.
Jim Lakely:And he said, you should celebrate, and we did celebrate. He got a standing ovation when he got on the stage. He got an even louder standing ovation when he left the stage. We were very honored and pleased to have Lise Eldon come to the most prominent climate conference for people who do not believe humans are causing a crisis. The only climate climate conference, frankly, where you will have real scientists presenting real science to not just people in the in the in the hall who know this stuff because they're also scientists, but in ways that are absorbable by the masses, it's streamed, thousands and thousands of views.
Jim Lakely:I I think it's a tribute to the way we've all put on this, conference together, the c o two coalition, CFAC, the Heartland Institute. What's up with that? That Lee Zeldin would be you know, was honored to come and and kick the whole thing off. And the thing that pleases me so much as the director of communications and executive vice president of Heartland is that it drove the media crazy, and they had to write stories. The New York Times had to write a story.
Jim Lakely:AP had to write a story. The Guardian it made global news. It was fantastic. It was the perfect way to to kick it off. And I will also just, I'm gonna play play two videos here for us in a minute, but I will also reiterate what everyone else on this, show has said today, the sense of joy.
Jim Lakely:You know, this is our sixteenth conference. Sometimes the mood is not quite as joyous. It's a little dour because as Sterling just said, if this is a resurgence, when was the first surge? We haven't had it. But, you know so there was palpable joy.
Jim Lakely:There were lots of smiles. But, you know, as Linnea pointed out, and we all know, you know, there's no permanent victory in politics. You have to keep fighting and fighting and fighting, which we will continue to do. And as you said, Angela, we have the science on our side, and that is a huge advantage. But it's nice to have our side, you know, kind of at the forefront right now for as long as it may last.
Anthony Watts:And to be recognized, as you say, to be recognized by Zelda. That was I walked out of there going, gosh. It's nice that he vindicates, all of our work for thirty years now. I wanted to say, Jim, I sort of thought you were gonna violate your own rule and tout the live climate realism show that we did at the conference, I thought that came off pretty well. So
Jim Lakely:Well, somebody had to say it. I was hoping somebody would say it. But, yes, the live version of our show on stage was pretty fun. That was really great. Alright.
Jim Lakely:Let me we're gonna get to q and a here in a minute. Let me just play. So I mentioned before, and I promised these videos that we were protested. I think the the organization was something called climate defiance. They entered the ballroom for that breakout session on how to bring youth into the climate realism fold.
Jim Lakely:Our first clip, this is from the phone of Guardian reporter, Darna Noor, who says she was totally unaware. Leftist communist publication. She was totally unaware this was going to happen, she said. Alright. Let's play that video, please, Andy.
Jim Lakely:Protest. Howdy go? Now I I I just wanna say here, the the person escorting that young man out is 86 year old physicist Will Happer. That guy should not be sharing that video on social media. He got manhandled by an 86 year old man.
Jim Lakely:That's pretty embarrassing. So
Anthony Watts:Yeah. Chris Mart commented on Twitter, what kind of a wuss do you have to be to get thrown out of a conference by an 86 year old guy? Yes.
Jim Lakely:So, anyway, they they they try to come in and have some fun. And this next clip, I'm gonna play real quick. Anthony, you may wanna mention something here. See in the notes that you might wanna do something. But here's the second one.
Jim Lakely:This is our this is the this is the highlight clip. Somebody on the left put together of the entire incident.
Speaker 2:Yeah. While they're getting that set up, I I have an announcement to make. We have brochures for the Will Happer Security Company on the tables outside. Yeah. That's the I'm gonna go outside.
Speaker 2:I see. We we we had them made up during the time it took
Jim Lakely:for this panel to happen.
Speaker 2:So his his motto is he thought he takes direct action against soy boys who interrupt smart people.
Linnea Lueken:Oh my gosh. So ridiculous. Alright.
Speaker 2:Well so, again, the thank you. Thank you. Wait. Let's have a round of applause for the entire panel for this I'm speaking. I'm speaking.
Speaker 2:You are fake news, quite frankly.
Linnea Lueken:Hey. I know that guy.
Jim Lakely:Yeah. I know that guy.
Speaker 2:You're a total disgrace. Total disgrace. This is when you know Oh. Oh. This when you know that you're winning.
Speaker 2:Is when you
Angela Wheeler:Wow.
Speaker 2:I'm so honored.
Linnea Lueken:What freaks?
Speaker 2:Thanks, guys. Who are those losers? Those
Jim Lakely:losers are climate defiance, and as they can see, they didn't deep dampen our spirits. That that panel was was Emma Arnes from CFAC. That was Lucy Biggers right there. Annika Sweetland was also there. Linnea was on that panel.
Jim Lakely:Her voice was gone. I had to speak for her. So it was a youth panel with this old man up there in the beginning. And and also the great the great Chris Martz, who Chris Martz, by the way, gave a fantastic keynote presentation at the final dinner about, about temperature, about temperature across and and weather. You must see that one.
Jim Lakely:That was one of my favorite presentations. Sorry. It was really fun.
Angela Wheeler:No. If you wanna know who funds client climate defiance, you can go to influence watch, and you can find out who funds them. And that's good information to know.
Jim Lakely:Alright. Maybe Andy will do that while we're going through the q and a. But, yeah, Anthony, you said you wanted maybe to mention some breaking news. Yep.
Anthony Watts:Yes. I just got word that a supreme court decision was handed down in the case of Chevron USA in versus L'Aquimines Parish in Louisiana. Basically, this lawsuit was about the fact that some activists got a hold of these people in this parish in Louisiana and decided to push a lawsuit saying that because Chevron, made aviation fuel during World War two, it caused a whole kickoff of climate disaster and damage and everything. And it's been going on for over a year now. And finally, there was a ruling today, and the ruling basically threw it out.
Anthony Watts:And justice Thomas delivered the opinion of the court, and I'm gonna read it to you. Congress has long authorized federal officers and their agents to remove suits brought against them in state court the federal court. The federal officer removal statute authorizes an officer or person acting under that officer to remove state suits for relating to any act under color of such office and so forth. Chevron argued that the suit was removable because it implicates Chevron's crude oil production during the second world war when Chevron was also refining crude oil into aviation gasoline for the US military. No party disputes that they did that.
Anthony Watts:We thus decide only whether the suit, implicates Chevron's wartime production of crude oil, relates to Chevron's wartime aviation gasoline refining for the military. We hold that it does. Basically, they threw the whole lawsuit out. It was just another win that we're getting, in the whole climate arena. These lawsuits that these people keep coming up with are beyond ridiculous.
Anthony Watts:I mean, imagine going back to World War two and saying because Chevron made Avgas to keep, you know, our allies and and our country safe from the Nazis, you know, the climate damage was was, you know, terrible. And so therefore, we have to choose Chevron. What kind of whack jobs do you have to be to come up with this idea in the first place?
Anthony Watts:Anthony, let me ask you. Did they throw out the lawsuit, or did they just remove it to federal court? I thought they removed it to federal court.
Anthony Watts:Well, I can't be clear on that based on my reading right now. I'm sure that'll shake out. But in any event, they lost, at the supreme court, and that's the big deal. Yep.
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Angela Wheeler:I'm gonna
Linnea Lueken:start it off with this oops. Oh, I was taken out of the chat. I'm gonna start with this really brief answer to a a question that has nothing to do with the stream, which is from Paula Brown who says Brown who says, what's Animal Crossing? Animal Crossing is a Nintendo game. It's it's not anything nefarious.
Linnea Lueken:It's just a Nintendo game. Chris whoop. Okay. What is going on with our layouts here? Chris Nesbitt says the eco zone will need to cover a 100% of the land with solar panels.
Linnea Lueken:Just have no electricity at nighttime. Do the batteries go in the dirty zone in that game? I would I would assume so. I think they just kinda, like, magically generate. We'll move on here.
Linnea Lueken:Let's see. Okay. This is from Climate Bell. I'm gonna pitch it to whoever wants this one. The IPCC will never pull the plug on their grift.
Linnea Lueken:After thirty three years, they're still fumbling the ball of uncertainty when it is a deterministic computation. Is this incompetence or corruption? Why not both?
Jim Lakely:Yeah. Why not both?
Angela Wheeler:Why not both? Since
Anthony Watts:Anthony is not here, I'll I'll give my thoughts. I'm not convinced that IPCC will be around for in another decade as a body. Remember, we pulled out of UNFCCC. That's the one that funds most of it. Other countries are are stepping away from their commitments.
Anthony Watts:If they keep having conferences like they did in Berlin where they come out with nothing and they are embarrassed, I I think pretty you know, in a decade, even if they have conferences, half the countries won't show up. It'll be a joke. No one will cover it. And when the coverage stops, the IPCC ceases to have a reason for existence because they've never gotten some of the science is pretty good. Some of the science in the large documents is pretty good.
Anthony Watts:But their summary for policymakers are written by policymakers for policymakers and have always been politicized and often don't reflect the underlying science in the reports.
Linnea Lueken:Absolutely. Anthony, do you have anything to add to this one?
Anthony Watts:No. Actually, I don't. I've been, reading up on this, I apologize. Been reading up on this lawsuit thing, so I missed most of that.
Linnea Lueken:That's alright. Okay. We do have a a little bit of a critic in the in the audience, so I want to bring up their comment. Missus miss Blue Ocean says, breaking news. The Heartland Institute are the think tank of human extinction.
Linnea Lueken:I think I mean, I'm gonna I'm gonna assume that this person is earnest and they're not just trolling. But I think you'll find that even your, IPCC doesn't believe the stuff that you're saying to the extent that you're claiming it. In addition, you also say okay. Question. Are you cheering this on?
Linnea Lueken:The US Senate approves a bill to allow mining near the Boundary Waters Canoe Area Wilderness. I don't know. I would have to read up on that. Sterling?
Anthony Watts:Well, I'd I'd have to see the bill. I've read my constitution. Have you seen anywhere in the constitution where the federal government is allowed to set up wilderness areas? I haven't seen it. I don't see the words in the constitution.
Anthony Watts:As far as mining, if it can be done safely, especially if it's rare earth mining, minerals that we need for national security, I think that we have to go about it. But I haven't seen the bill, so, you know, I'm not gonna say I'm cheering it on. I I see her stream. You know, she's got a stream of of comments. And, you know, look.
Anthony Watts:We we are the we are the group that's in favor of human prosperity, not extinction. The policies that she promotes would lead to extinction, would lead to less food, billions of people dying of hunger. They're already in energy poverty, more people dying from airborne illnesses, indoor airborne illnesses as they burn wooden dung rather than rely on electricity from clean plants. She's the one on the side of extinction as are many as are many climate alarmists who are really more about population control than they are about protecting the environment.
Linnea Lueken:I also strongly doubt that this individual has ever read any of the, like, the the IPCC AR six report or anything like it. But they did say that they thought that the IPCC is too conservative. So maybe they're just anti science themselves and, aren't interested in data anyway.
Angela Wheeler:Well, one thing I'd like to say to miss Blue Ocean, when I when I talk to people at con conventions that we attend that, you know, don't wanna have a discussion. They just wanted to preach at it. And I say, you may if this is your religion and you tell me this is your religion, I'll respect that. You have a right to your religion, but you cannot tell me it's science because your arguments are not based in science.
Linnea Lueken:Absolutely. Alright. So we have a question. Oh, Anthony, sorry. Go ahead.
Anthony Watts:Well, I wanna address this lady, miss Blue Ocean. You know, you're saying that we're killing that the planet. Have you looked around at all other than just simply reading headlines? You know, if you go back and look at history and you look at what's been happening to the planet in the last one hundred years, you would find if you bothered to read history that we are in a much cleaner state than we ever were. You know, we had the Environmental Protection Agency formed in 1970 because things like Lake Erie were catching fire due to pollution on the top of the of the surface of the water.
Anthony Watts:Things like that. We had smog everywhere in Los Angeles, Chicago, New York. We were breathing dirty air. We were drinking dirty water. Those things have all been solved and we are living in a much cleaner time than we ever had in the past.
Anthony Watts:And the fact that it's gotten a little warmer due to some increased carbon dioxide, well, boo hoo. We are looking at agricultural productivity that has jumped, skyrocketed. We are looking at human health that has gotten way better. And the fact is is that cold kills more people than warmth when you look at studies like what come out of the lancet. Yeah.
Anthony Watts:We are not living in a time of destruction of our planet. We are living in a golden age. So get with the program.
Anthony Watts:And, yeah, and beyond the benefits of all this for human health and welfare, you know, we're we're we're richer than ever. We have fewer people dying of hunger than ever. We have fewer people dying from from, weather related, events. The earth itself is greening. It's benefiting.
Anthony Watts:The expansion of the greening of the earth is remarkable. And if she does if she doesn't acknowledge that, then she really doesn't follow the science.
Anthony Watts:Yep.
Linnea Lueken:Alright. Got a question here from Walter Jab Jakubrowsk. Sorry, Walter. I always mess you up. Who says, what email address, do we send our fan mail to?
Jim Lakely:You can send it to me. It's mine. Uh-huh. TheHeartlandInstitute@Gmail.com. There you go.
Linnea Lueken:Okay. There was Andy. Thank you, Andy. Alright. Or you can send it to Jim.
Linnea Lueken:Whatever you wanna do. Alright. Wheelman says, I suggest all to see if you can bring on doctor John Robson for an interview, please. I don't know who that is, so I don't, Angela, do you know?
Anthony Watts:Nope. He runs a website called Climate Discussion Nexus.
Anthony Watts:Oh.
Linnea Lueken:Okay. Alrighty. It is I two says, Jim, you idiot. You don't believe in climate change. I think we're gonna make that a tagline of the show.
Linnea Lueken:Could be.
Jim Lakely:It could be. I I I do believe in climate change, and that is actually has no relation to whether or not I'm an idiot. That's completely separate quest.
Anthony Watts:It reminds me of the Wizard of Oz with the cowardly lion.
Speaker 7:I do believe in climate change. I do believe in climate change. Everybody knows you never go full retarded.
Linnea Lueken:Alright.
Angela Wheeler:My husband's gonna love that.
Linnea Lueken:Alright. So, Mike Gat u s o Gatuso, says, how do we get schools to change what they teach? How many good textbooks are available? How do we flood the market and block out the stupid, Angela?
Angela Wheeler:That's an excellent point. And one good thing is that a lot of the textbooks are going digital now. It used to take sometimes a decade to try to make a change in a textbook. Now we don't have that problem. Now I do realize that they the school boards have to vote on it, and we go through that process.
Angela Wheeler:But we do have more opportunities, and so we do need to be reaching out to school boards. And and we're actually putting together some programs right now at the c o two coalition to so that we can be reaching out from the from the youngest level to stop this indoctrination.
Anthony Watts:Yeah. Heartland Heartland and our allies have, have testified in different states on their, because, typically, school boards don't just willy nilly get to choose the books. Their state education agencies decide what's acceptable, and we've testified on textbooks in those states. We also and I'm sure Angela has done this as well, and CFACT certainly does this. We've sent materials directly to the schools.
Anthony Watts:Climate at a glance was sent to educators, 7,000 educators around the country. Why climate why scientists disagree was sent to over 200,000. So you try and get to them directly, circumvent the, the bureaucracy. Not everyone uses our material. Some people throw it away, but others have written us back saying nice things about what we've gotten, and they wouldn't have known that they wouldn't have been able to supply that had we not provided it.
Linnea Lueken:Yep. Thank you very much.
Angela Wheeler:Oh, and one thing, if you don't mind me noting real quick that we attended six we we attended six homeschool conferences last year, and we're attending three this year plus two charter school conferences. And we offer our materials at no cost to homeschool groups and and also to schools that are all donor funded. And that's one way we're getting our materials. They all have lesson plans written by doctor Sharon Camp. They're very comprehensive.
Angela Wheeler:And that's one another way because the homeschool families, they are taking this into their own hands. They don't want their children to be indoctrinated, and so we're making sure that they get the the correct scientific based materials.
Jim Lakely:Yeah. Very good. Yeah. You guys have done great work on that over the years. Go to co2coalition.org.
Jim Lakely:You can get more information.
Linnea Lueken:Absolutely. Alrighty. Let's see. Tech has kind of a complicated question, but, I'm gonna see if anyone can do it. Can someone summarize doctor Happers energy imbalance argument?
Anthony Watts:That takes more time than we have. I I
Linnea Lueken:don't really think I could
Anthony Watts:go through that.
Angela Wheeler:But you can No.
Jim Lakely:We are not able to do it. No. But you can go to the climateclimateconference.heartland.org, and you can see the whole Will Happer presentation for yourself. No summary needed.
Linnea Lueken:And at co2coalition.org, they also have kind of, like, summary versions of a lot of doctor Happers papers and stuff. So that would be a good place to look as well. Alrighty. Now and again from Jay Wester says, is there a site with a quick sum up of the most important scientific data that disproves climate alarmists? Anthony?
Anthony Watts:Yes. Go to, you got two websites to choose from. You've got climate@aglance.com, which has all the different arguments that we have laid out one by one with the science, with hard data, and you can use that to dispute almost anything they say. That's number one. Number two, climaterealism.com, where every day we dispute some crazy story in the media where they're making grand claims about, you know, the earth is falling or the the sky is falling, you know, the earth is burning up, all this kind of stuff.
Anthony Watts:So use those two resources. And, of course, my own website, Watts up with that, where we've got lots of stuff going on multiple times a day. Those three resources are your best bet for, pushing back on any climate alarmism. And particularly, if you cite Watts up with that, that will make them crazy. So do the go choose that.
Angela Wheeler:Also, I should note that we have a an excellent publication called Challenging Net Zero with Science
Anthony Watts:Realist. On And she doesn't get paid by the fossil fuel industry, neither do
Linnea Lueken:we. Oh,
Anthony Watts:I'm sorry. Did I play that again? I'm saying that we have something in common found with miss Blue Ocean. She said she's a climate realist, and she doesn't get paid by the fossil fuel industry, neither do we. Second, I would say Climate at a Glance is probably the best quick source for this stuff.
Anthony Watts:But if you want really, really detailed, really, really detailed, lengthy examinations of climate science from a realist perspective, peer reviewed hundreds, if not thousands of footnotes, go to climate change reconsidered, the series of books called climate change reconsidered, that are on the Internet.
Linnea Lueken:Sorry about that, Angela. I think Sterling's, stuff got, kinda lagged there. But what were you saying?
Angela Wheeler:Oh, sure. No. We did we have a report called challenging net zero with science, and it's very it it's it's got the it's got the deep science, but it's laid out in a way that's easy to understand. And so that's at co2coalition.org. And there's, of course, many, many other things.
Angela Wheeler:We have things on methane and nitrous oxide, and and there's so many resources. But a great place to start is challenging net zero with science.
Linnea Lueken:Alrighty. Thank you very much. Oh, a good question from our friend, Luke, who says, what are your thoughts on Elon Musk and Tesla or SpaceX bringing technology and manufacturing that otherwise would be made in China to The United States? It seems like Musk's companies are positive for The United States. Yeah.
Linnea Lueken:I would agree with that. And I also would say that anything that makes it, less likely that products that we use are being made with slave labor is a very good thing.
Angela Wheeler:Agreed.
Linnea Lueken:Sterling, do you have any comments on this one?
Anthony Watts:Well, you know, I've long had mixed feelings about Musk. The the idea that we need to subsidize electric vehicles through a tax credit, I thought was stupid and through carbon credit sales. You know, he made a lot of money on that. That's great for him. And for the wealthy people that were subsidized, most people who drive electric vehicles aren't in the last lowest two quintiles of of income.
Anthony Watts:The other thing is he does a lot of contract work. And to the extent he does contract work, like all of his SpaceX stuff, it's pay for play. He has to produce. And by gosh, he produces like nobody else in satellites, in space travel. He's
Speaker 2:the man,
Anthony Watts:and I've gotta admire him for that. Anything that gets us as Linnea said, anything that weeds us off Chinese dependent technology, 100% in favor.
Linnea Lueken:Absolutely. And a question from Bogus who says, was the disruption the only thing the leftist reporter posted online or in their publication? If so, they definitely lied about not knowing in advance. Jim?
Jim Lakely:I I only saw it on, the reporters, x account, Twitter account, which actually isn't followed by that many people, to be honest. So, I didn't see that they did a story on it. So you know? I mean, look. She was in the room.
Jim Lakely:She got up. She put her phone up. I mean, that happens. She had nothing to do with it. I had no idea who those people were.
Angela Wheeler:I have to tell you something awesome, though. So they actually put a picture of our banner, which is good news. There is no climate crisis. They had a picture of our stress ball that said, don't stress. There is no climate crisis.
Angela Wheeler:And our our little little plate with lifesavers with our sign that said c o two is a lifesaver. We got a lot of attention, showing some of the swag that we brought, and that that made us really happy.
Anthony Watts:Certainly, they had their own people there filming because I, I helped block the filming. I started blocking the filming when she was holding up her camera trying to film, and she's having to get her get around my hands going up to block it. At first, I thought when they stood up, I thought it was a gimmick that, Lucy was doing. I thought it was part of her presentation. And once I I I didn't realize it wasn't until the filming started, and I tried to block that.
Anthony Watts:And then when the second protester came out, I walked her I just stood in front of her and walked her out.
Jim Lakely:Yeah. I I there's a little bit more information about this I could share. I don't think it's really worth doing it right now, but, I have some information in reserve just in case we need it. That's all I'm gonna say.
Angela Wheeler:But wouldn't it be great if they were really there to actually learn something? Wouldn't that be great? But we know we know that they're not.
Jim Lakely:We know. And, you know, we we get people we just put, you know, miss Blue Ocean up here. We get people that don't agree with our our viewpoints on these topics that show up to this show. We have more than a thousand people watching this livestream today, which is pretty amazing. And we put their questions up, and we answer them.
Jim Lakely:We wanna engage in a debate. There's very few on the left that wanna engage in any debate, and there's a reason for that. And as you mentioned it, Angela, the science is on our side, so they're left with very few places to perch.
Linnea Lueken:Absolutely. Well, that's all the questions I've got there. So I'm gonna hand it back to you, Jim.
Jim Lakely:Alright. Well, that will do over. There's the music. I just muted up. So it is time for us to go.
Jim Lakely:I wanna thank everyone for being here on the show today, especially the people in the very engaging chat as usual, but also very special guest today, Angela Wheeler, executive director of the c o two Polish. And thanks so much. We will sure to have you on again. That was a lot of fun today. I wanna thank our streaming partners, jumpscience.com, CPAC, that very same c o two coalition, Climate Depot, what's up with that, and Heartland, UK, Europe.
Jim Lakely:Thank you Linnea. Very much, Sterling. Thank Thank you, Angela. Thank you, Anthony Watts, who had you know, right away, he couldn't stay till the very end. So we will all be here again because we're back in our regular routine next Friday at 1PM eastern time.
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